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Harry Potter Midnight Showing Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Posted by ladyandrea in harry potter, Lady Andrea.

Order of the Phoenix was SO GOOD.  SO.  GOOD.  Unbelievable, I loved it and can’t wait to see it again.  Run, do not walk, to see this movie.  The ending was so fantastic that it made up for some of my favorite stuff from the book that they cut.

Also, the final chapters of OotP recap will be up after I get off work…..that I have to be at in 5 hours.



1. The Bad One - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

They did a great job with the adaptation. Imelda Staunton was perfect as Umbridge. The fluffy kitty (or maybe lapdog?) on her brooch and ring on its own was hilarious. I am now at work. Gah.

2. UkraineNotWeak - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I have to admit, I’ve never seen any of the Harry Potter films. If I start viewing them, does it matter that I’ve never read any of the books?

3. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Beetches, I’ve just gotten back from hunting for witches.

IMAX kicked ass. Definitely worth seeing. There was some wonky stuff but that may have just been my seat. Should have gotten there before 1 hour ahead of time.

I thought the movie was really good but they did cut out quite a bit. Should we talk about it in Spoilers or here?

4. Ivan - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I can’t fucking wait. 635 today, leaving work early and all that jazz.

5. Hail Leroy - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

You can all bite me – not only am I at work, but I don’t get to see it until this weekend! Arrrgh

6. metschick - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

UNW: I took my friend with me last night, and he followed along fine. So, yeah, you can know what’s happening without having read the book.

It was so awesome! I just wished Delores had been a little more piggish. But god, did I want to punch her every time she “hmrmrm-ed”.

Yeah, where we can talk about what they cut out? Because it’s been a couple years since I read it, and I’ve forgotten what they have cut out.

(I cried with Sirius. I just want Harry to have a family.)

7. Ivan - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Metschick…amble over to http://www.andreasatrium.wordpress.com

8. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Stuff that I was sad to see cut:

Quidditch. This was Ron’s year to make the team and win the Cup!
The great McGonagall scenes.
Peeves (though he hasn’t been in a single movie yet, so I wasn’t expecting him)
Christmas at St. Mungo’s with Neville and his grandmother (sniff)

Things I loved:
Luna and Bellatrix. Oh my god, how awesome were Evanna Lynch and Helena Bonham Carter???? I left the theatre wishing we’d seen more of them.

My main complain with PoA, GoF and OotP is that all of them have been too short. Seriously, this was the longest book and was only 2 hrs 15 minutes long. I would EASILY sit through another 30-45 minutes of film if it meant we got to include more of the books and I think HP fans would agree with me. Look how well LotR did and those were all 3 hrs+.

9. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I completely agree. We could have gotten so much more out of extra time that really would have meant nothing and been more rewarding.

I found Luna to be awesome as well. One thing I found to be peculiar though was that it seemed to me that they were setting up more of a Luna/Harry love than a Ginny/Harry love.

I was dissapointed most of the spots where Ginny, Fred/George, and McGonagall kick ass were cut.
Helena Bonham Carter was positively wicked; I love her. I thought Gary Oldman was brilliant as Sirius too. I like Lucius far more than I should; does anybody else like him? Maybe it’s because of Jason Issacs, I dunno.

Things changed I didn’t like: Why doesn’t Harry create a corporeal patronus? They make a big deal out of it and everyone else is able to conjure one during the DA meeting. So why don’t we see his Stag?
We don’t get the speech about Harry’s protection at the house or Petunia sticking up for him. Does this mean it’s not important to DH?
Cho being the traitor (and now sneak written across her forehead?!?) was lame, but I guess it works. It just doesn’t make a lot of sense why she would betray Harry.
Mrs. Figg’s presence was kind of awkward and it wasn’t mentioned about her being a squib.
I didn’t like Lily being cut out of Snape’s memory.

10. Baba Oje - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

The problem with making the movie much longer is that it is supposed to be aimed at children, so they can’t have it run 3:30. You can’t make it a two parter either, because the first movie would any have any real climax and would get killed for it.

11. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

that should be “and no sneak” not now

12. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I agree Doug. I was also mad not to see the Howler for Petunia from Dumbledore and I wanted to see more of Snape’s memory. The brief flashes weren’t good enough and Lily should’ve been there.

Cho didn’t betray Harry. Snape informs Umbridge that she used the last of his veritaserum for interrogating Ms. Chang. I take it to mean she just slipped up in drinking something Umbridge gave her and spilled the beans.

I wish there had been more Ginny, but I thought the twins got their fair share of screentime. I also agree that Oldman is great as Sirius and Rickman is great as Snape, it just bugs me that they’re so old.

I too love Lucius and Draco. I was sad we didnt’ see more Draco, but he’ll be a bigger part in HBP. I think it’s b/c I like the actors so much b/c in the books I hate those characters.

For both Goblet and Phoenix I have just felt so strongly about making them just a smidge longer and including more stuff. 30 extra minutes could mean a world of difference.

I still think Phoenix is the best of the series so far. The ending was SO GREAT.

Also, I think I’m going to go as Carter’s Bellatrix Lestrange for Halloween this year.

13. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Baba, you wouldn’t have it run 3:30. Phoenix could add 30 minutes and clock in at 2:45. That is not unreasonable. All the little kids I know love the HP series as much as I do and would gladly sit through a 4 hour movie if it meant seeing more of the books come to life.

14. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Going for the 3-post Yahtzee!

I also loved when Sirius said, “nice one, James” to Harry. (sniff)

and Ginny’s Reducto Curse being like Armageddon is upon us was awesome.

15. Baba Oje - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I think James is way to nerdy looking in the movies

16. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I love Rickman as Snape too, but the one thing that bugs me is that he seems far too likeable. I’m not sure if they’re doing this to set him up as being good or for it to be a giant twist if he’s bad.

I did a double take with the “nice one, James” line. I guess that’s how they snuck in Sirius thinking Harry is James. I thought for a second that James might have flown out of the arch as a ghost to jack up Malfoy, but I don’t think that was the case.

Ginny’s reducto curse was huge and I loved that it shocked everyone by its power. They were all kind of in awe. It seemed more like a protego curse than a reducto curse though; I don’t think anything shrunk and the effect was more of a shield.

James is super nerdy in the movie; I’d expect him to be more a stud. I don’t think he looks a lot like Daniel Radcliffe either.

17. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I think her Reductor acted the way I expect those to, by reducing everything to rubble. Protego charms just shield you, they don’t blast anything. (Like when she totally annihilated that practice dummy in the Room of Requirement).

18. metschick - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

AAAAGH, I have to re-read all these books next month. I miss everything that you guys are talking about.

And I wish we had a Room of Requirement in my house.

19. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Ahh, you’re right about Protego. Maybe I was thinking of Stupefy; I just felt like nothing was reduced when she did it.

metschick: You should have started with us awhile ago and joined our book club!

20. The Fan's Attic - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

metschick: don’t we all wish we had a secret whack shack…er…i mean a room of requirement.

21. ladyandrea - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Fan’s Attic: EWWWW

Doug, it’s not Metsy’s fault. The Bar Exam is nothing to be trifled with. She is studying hard and is going to give it the ass-kicking it so RICHLY DESERVES!

22. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I wasn’t saying it was her fault but that it would have been nice to have her.

23. metschick - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

I wish that I could’ve been reading along with y’all.

As it is, I get my copy of Book 7 on the 21st, and can’t even crack it till July 26th. The agony!

24. The Fan's Attic - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Metschick…that blows, but i know exactly how you feel. HBP came out 10 days or so before my bar exam. I had to buy the book before the bar exam because i was leaving for a trip the day after the exam. it was absolute torture having that book in my room and not being able to read it.

25. Patrick - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

Lot of good comments here; Andrea I admire your zeal for the movie. It had its moments for sure. I struggled with the omissions and threw up a post about it which practically is the -1 to this post’s +1. I think it addresses a lot of what you said already about what you wished was in the movie, so we largely agree. It just felt very, very, like overly episodic in both its beginning and ending, but the story was (mostly) present and accounted for.

26. Ivan - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

So, i’m getting back from seeing it. I thought it was good, but im still disappointed. Maybe because book 5 is my favorite, i don’t know.

Things i didn’t like: It was out of order! I hated that, the whole thing just being a series of events instead of having them all intertwined. I also don’t like how they handle the occlumency, that is one of the most important parts of the book and it kind of glosses over how bad the memory is and how much of an ass James was at that point, also hated that they left out Lily. Most of the things you guys mentioned i agree w/. The howler, the odd Luna/Harry connection. Other little details, like the fact that they shouldn’t know levicorpus at that point, or that there was no corporal patronus from Harry, and the fact the Neville couldn’t see the threstals in the movie. I also didn’t like the way that Dumbledore escapes, again they make him seem weaker than he is, they keep missing chances to show how bad ass he really is.

The end was a mixed bag for me. I thought it was really exciting and had some really good dueling (especially the Sirius and Harry vs Malfoy and random bad guy). But i wasn’t in love with that flying around business, they’re Wizards not superman. And in the book Sirius isn’t killed w/ Avada Kedavra, he was hit with some sort of stunning spell and knocked into the veil. I think that really closes the door on him being completely dead, which JKRowling hasn’t really done when asked directly. I just think if they were going to add time, they could have done it during the Ministry scene. The Dumbledore vs. LV scene was great, sheer badassery, but i again think that they made Dumbledore out to be weaker than he should be.

The rest i really liked, and i plan on seeing it again. When i get over the fact that they can’t just make the book into a movie, they have to change it a bit.

Sorry for the long post.

27. DougOLis - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

They did make Dumbledore seem weaker in the Ministry battle. He was on the defensive most of the time and kind of running from LV rather than attacking him. I felt like he had a greater command in the book than in the movie. With the ending, I thought the part where Harry is possessed was done extremely well. I actually liked that more than the book.

28. Ivan - Wednesday, July 11, 2007

The possession was done very well, it really drove home the connection between Harry and LV. But yeah, Dumbledore is way more bad ass than they show. He didn’t gain control of the statues, and they did that weird connection between the wands that happens in GoF. But it is explained in the books that it only happens with two wands with the same core, DD and LV’s wands don’t have the same core.

29. ladyandrea - Thursday, July 12, 2007

I agree, the possession was better in the movie than the book.

DD and LV didn’t have a priori incantatem effect, I didn’t think.

I didn’t see the wizards as “flying” per se, I saw them as disapparating with the swishy smokey stuff thrown in as a special effect.

I saw it again last night (b/c I got a free pass from the first time and wanted to see it again. What? I liked it.) and I noticed that Harry does have a corporeal Patronus in the beginning, his stag bucks the first dementor.

Also, I’m mad the storyline of Harry’s article in the Quibbler got chucked, I love that part.

I don’t mind them closing the door on Sirius. I think JKR’s been mum about it to create suspense, but one of the tenets of the books is that death isn’t scary. It’s another great adventure and whatnot, so I think Sirius is gone.

30. Ivan - Thursday, July 12, 2007

That would make it seem like they were disapperating through the air, because it seemed like they were casting spells while doing the swishy smokey stuff. Kind of chasing each other aroundt he room.

DD and LV didn’t have priori incantatem, which is why they shouldn’t have had the wand connection.

The quibbler storyline is great, but that is one of the most glaring problems with having different directors. If one decides not to introduce a character, in the next movie they can’t just introduce someone, like Rita Skeeter.

31. ladyandrea - Thursday, July 12, 2007

I assumed wand connection can happen with anyone and that Priori Incantatem only happens when the wands are brothers.

Rita’s been introduced. She was all over Goblet.

32. Ivan - Thursday, July 12, 2007

Wow, i completely forgot, did they introduce her as an Animagnus?

Ah, i didn’t know about the wand connection. It reminds me of the stuff that came out of the guns in Ghostbusters.

33. DougOLis - Thursday, July 12, 2007

No, she wasn’t introduced as an Animagus in the movie which would have been a huge problem for Hermione blackmailing her. She was all over the Goblet book but not really the movie. I can only think of her in two instances: during the first interview and then when she catches Hermione hugging Harry.

34. Ivan - Thursday, July 12, 2007

Yeah, thats what i was getting at.

35. Slothrop - Thursday, July 12, 2007

I am late seeing the movie. And I’m more than a little peevish.

THAT ENDING SUCKED BALLS. They robbed Voldemort and Dumbledore of their great lines in the duel and then they ripped the heart out of DD’s speech to Harry in the office. Ginny blowing up the Hall of Prophecy was lunacy (I love Ginny, but come on), the lack of Ron and Hermione being Prefects was a big loss (they could have no Quidditch and kept the Prefect thing), and the lack of the Kreacher/Harry moment when he’s looking for Sirius is a big problem.

But the lack of “There’s nothing worse than death” line from LV and DD’s “I admit merely killing you Tom would be less satisfactory” is, quite frankly, an abomination. Ok, maybe not that bad, but still.

The visual effects in the Ministry are amazing. LV’s snake of fire is full of awesomeness, but not having the statues and Fawkes in the duel is weak.

The actors, especially Helena, Jason Isaacs, Umbridge, Gambon, Emma, and Dan were OWL level as were the Thestrals.

36. Ivan - Thursday, July 12, 2007

I forgot that line, it would have been great. What did you think of the flying business?

37. Slothrop - Friday, July 13, 2007

I didn’t mind the flying during the battle–it was a good way of showing the difference between the kids and the adults. Not exactly what JKR suggests, but visually, I liked it–it also connected to what Newell did in GoF with the DEs apparating to the graveyard.

I get that there must be cutting, trimming, and consolidating in a film. But an extra 5-10 minutes of dueling and explanations? Sometimes they seem to say, we’ll everyone knows this, they read the book. But damn, DD’s weakness, tear, and love in the last scene in his office sets up HBP. grr.

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